Now Shaved and Bent Anew To Sail a Higher Sea...

[jarandhel]

Don't ask about the title if you aren't familiar with the quote, it wouldn't make much sense unless you were me probably, and right now being me doesn't make a ton of sense either. I've been up all night reading philosophy and science and math and trying to process triadic logic and figure out the tools that a system of reasoning that makes use of triadic logic would need to use... my head is whirling with concepts that are slowly falling into place, but it's all kind of weird... on a lot of levels it feels like stuff I already know (and I don't mean that in a metaphysical past-lives sort of sense, I mean already know from this life) that just needs to be sorted into its proper place and listed with its useful functions. I think we've all got the tools for the job already, it's largely a matter of learning how and when to use them and in what combinations.

Then again, maybe I'm daft and this whirling with concepts feeling is just a sign that I think too much and I should have been in bed hours ago... either way, it probably wouldn't hurt to head there now.

Comments

[hai-kah-uhk.livejournal.com]

Neat. Though how and why you give it implications bordering on negative (or at least doubtful), I can't figure out. Sounds like a worthwhile endeavor to me.

[jarandhel.livejournal.com]

*shrugs* Worthwhile we'll see about... obviously the proof will be in the results of the endeavor. I kind of feel a bit out of my league with this, though... I have a barely scraped together understanding of formal logic as it currently exists (and frankly I'm damned annoyed that few sources seem to agree on a listing of fallacies or even on the breakdown of methods of reasoning that exist) and yet I'm trying to synthesize a system of rational thought making heavy use of the trinary logic of the celts (which I also don't fully understand) among other things. And the real kicker is that my only tools to achieve this massive undertaking are the flawed tools that I am attempting to improve upon in the first place... since I can only utilize the new system to the extent which it has been constructed. That's not very far yet... at the moment the big improvement in how I'm thinking now compared to how I thought about stuff before seems to be a new tendency towards viewing dualistic either-or scenarios as reductionism and a logical false dilemma. I have some leads that I think are red hot and will help me construct more of my system, but the whole thing is going to take a lot of time and effort, and beyond the effect it will have on my own thought processes I'm not sure what the point will be or if it'll really be worth putting together as a more or less formalized system. *shrugs* Maybe I'm just being pessemistic, but we'll see... I'm going to re-examine some elements of celtic logic in the next few days and see if the clues to a better understanding of the system that I think are there actually are or not...I might feel better after that is done and I have some clearer indications that I am on the righ track in my work.

[hai-kah-uhk.livejournal.com]

Far be it from me to tell you what to do, but as I see it, you're focusing too much on "right" (and therefore "wrong"?). You expect terms to be laid out for you. Actually, logic is just as subjective as anything else; that's why there's so many different kinds. To say that someone's logical is just a value judgment, no more or less accurate than saying someone's weird.

I, personally, am happy to read about your conclusions toward dualistic thinking, but mostly because you're edging toward how I see things. If you want an additional challenge, try nondualistic logic next, although if you want any reasonable guidelines, good luck. The writings I've seen on nondualism sounded astonishingly dualistic to me (I guess because they were written by Westerners; while the true Eastern masters of the perspective refuse to write or say anything Westerners are able to deem coherent... funny, that).

Of course, keeping in mind that this comment was written by someone who is just as reluctant as those Eastern nondualists to try to eff the ineffable puts it into perspective. I must be infuriating for someone who likes answers to talk to! Even more unfortunately, my only other suggestion is probably equally useless - just wait. It'll come.

(That's my strategy, and it's working okay so far, although I can afford the time.)