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Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 10:01 pm
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chasingcaribou:

However, what I did mean to say is that I think it is possible for a person to feel phantom wings and have their clothing, particularly a shirt, become uncomfortable because of feeling two separate sensations on their back (even if one sensation is only a product of the brain and there are no wing nerves) that one or the other could be uncomfortable for that person, because the mixed sensations would be too much to process properly at once, and one (the phantom wings) might already be garbled up noise because it is in all likelihood caused by an anomaly in the brain.

I realize this is what you were saying, but it still comes across as far-fetched to me for all the reasons listed in my last post.  Phantom wings really don’t cause a doubled sensation that’s difficult to process when coupled with clothing.  They probably cause less of a “doubled” sensation than wearing a physical bra does. 
And, again, if this hypothetical sensory input problem were a problem with winged otherkin why isn’t it a problem for tailed otherkin?  Heck, why isn’t it a problem in the older otherkin and therian communities off of tumblr?  I’m the mod of angelkin, it’s been around since 2001 with over 7,500 messages to date.  There’s been plenty of discussion of phantom wing pain or discomfort, but not a bit of it has been attributed to clothing.  Much less to the point of not being able to wear full shirts.

I don’t see why that is bending over backwards, or supporting an unhealthy way of thinking.

You don’t see what’s bending over backwards or supporitn gan unhealthy way of thinking about producing an entirely new hypothesis in order to justify an idea that exists only among tumblr kin that their phantom limbs may hurt due to the clothing their wearing, and that they may have to avoid wearing certain clothing because of it?  

All I meant to say is that it is possible that a small amount of people who say they experience discomfort from phantom limbs when wearing clothing might be because the feeling of clothing on their skin is too much when coupled with the feelings of feathers, or the joints and weight of wings, or whatever other phantom feeling it is for that person. 

I get that’s what you’re saying, and I really think it’s incredibly far fetched.  If the feeling of clothing on their skin were too much, how is the feeling of air on their skin any better?  The physical back will always have sensations that will be coupled with the phantom sensations from the wings, from the movement of air along it to the temperature of the room to the patterns of muscle tension in it.  Taking off your clothing doesn’t get rid of the sensation of having a human back as well.
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Thursday, May 3rd, 2012 06:17 am (UTC)
Either way.... couldn't we assume that each person has their own experience and whether they are really experiencing things or are doing it for attention shouldn't we reach out to this person and show compassion and love for them. I am not sure we can "support an unhealthy way of thinking" in anyone. If they are unhealthy, they are already that way. If I am dealing with a schizophrenic for instance, the delusions and hallucinations they are having are still their experience. That's their experience and showing compassion is the only way to help them through it... this goes for alzheimer's patients, bi-polar individuals, or a simply depressed person. Compassion and love for all beings is the way to increase our quality of life.

"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion.
If you want to be happy, practice compassion." The Bhudda
Thursday, May 3rd, 2012 08:23 am (UTC)
Experiences differ, even among humans. There are fully human people who can't abide certain types of clothes, or parts of clothes, due to sensory issues. Otherkin are even more varied. Souls aren't bodies; souls are energy; and the interaction between souls and bodies is far from understood. What's a problem for some may not be so for others, and a given body part, manifest or not, may affect people in different ways. Consider further that some humans who have lost limbs, have not lost sensation in those limbs and may have similar problems with clothing. People cope as best they can. Bugging them about it rarely helps.