Tracking Continued:

[jarandhel]

Still tracking the past and present manifestations of HOPE, and I've managed to catch them in another blatant lie. Silverfox/Adara once publicly claimed that the Otherkin MSN community had no connection to HOPE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elven-realities/message/54887

Funny, currently it has the words "A Hope-Corde Organization owned group" right on it's main page. http://groups.msn.com/Otherkin/

The sheer transparancy of the deception involved is underwhelming. *chuckles*

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[jarandhel.livejournal.com]

*decides to take a screenshot, just to make sure that the proof of this is preserved...*

[dogemperor.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes, please do. (Just to show the idiots are so full of shite their eyes are turning brown)

Then again, this is also the same Adara who thought that s00per sekrit codenames would be sufficient and was stupid enough to give me her PASSWORD because she could *not* figure out how to create a Hushmail account through AOL. I would be extremely surprised if she has changed it at all. :)

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[jarandhel.livejournal.com]

Heh... no, she probably has changed it if it was the same one that I had, since she knew that I was using that to access the cha'tai'naira goplay account that I had made for her.

Something important to point out...

[(Anonymous)]

First of all this may be posted anonymously, but I will identy-fy myself. It's SilverFox posting this.

>Still tracking the past and present >manifestations of HOPE, and I've managed to catch >them in another blatant lie. Silverfox/Adara once >publicly claimed that the Otherkin MSN community >had no connection to HOPE: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elven-realities/message/54887

Please refer to the words "once publically claimed". This first post of mine was in the past. Back then Otherkin MSN was a private project of myself and a few others, HOPE did not ever own any part of it.

>Funny, currently it has the words "A Hope-Corde >Organization owned group" right on it's main >page. http://groups.msn.com/Otherkin/

Please understand "currently". As in right now, at this present time.

Which means at one time it was privately-owned, but now it is no longer so. Time has passed and things have changed in that time. Our reasons for it are not your business, but the fact remains, something changing is not the same as lying.
I did not know back then when making the statement on Elven_realities that Otherkin MSN would be operated by Hope-Corde, because Hope-Corde did not exist then. How can what I said be a lie when it was true at the time of the statement and I had no idea what the future held?
Just another small clarification, HOPE never owned any part of Otherkin MSN. Never did and never will as that organization no longer exists. HOPE-CORDE now own and runs Otherkin MSN. It is a whole new group. So currently there is a connection between the Otherkin MSN community and the group HOPE-CORDE, and this connection is posted right on the front page of Otherkin MSN.

SilverFox---
only trying to set the record straight.

Re: Something important to point out...

[jarandhel.livejournal.com]

It's interesting that a merger of the two groups results in a *privately* run group owned by you and ravenfeathers suddenly becoming a group-owned group. It's also interesting to note that you said Otherkin MSN group had nothing to do with other types of alternatives and so could not be considered a part of HOPE, but you are suddenly willing to allow it to be part of a group which services more than one type of alternative now. And since your original post was just four months ago, I find it surprising that so much could change in such a short amount of time. Especially since HOPE and CORDE started merging back in March at the latest. (That was when I noticed it and first posted about it in my LJ, at least.)

As for HOPE never having anything to do with Otherkin MSN group? I think I've already stated my opinion of that "fact": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elven-realities/message/54889

1. It was run by the same people who run HOPE.
2. It was advertised prominently on the HOPE site itself, though HOPE
claimed it was not affiliated.
3. It prominently advertised HOPE in return.
4. It had the exact same type of otherkin outreach that HOPE tried to
do... and as poorly done, to boot.
5. It had FAQs on otherkin taken directly from HOPE's site and
which credited HOPE as the source.

Sounds like it was rather related to HOPE to me.

As for HOPE no longer existing? Please, a preschooler could see that HOPE-CORDE is not an entirely new group. You use the same names merged together, you use the same logos placed next to each other, you even take over old projects and groups rather than forming new ones. A snake which sheds its skin does not become a new entity, Silverfox, and you haven't even managed that much of a change for HOPE.

Oh, and next time you want to "set the record straight" in my LJ you can post from your own account, rather than anonymously. Otherwise it's not going to be allowed through. You abuse anonymity far too much.

[jarandhel.livejournal.com]

Oh, and one more thing... if it was a matter of not having enough time to handle Otherkin MSN group on your own, like you've tried to make it out to be, wouldn't you have also turned over groups like elenari and friends and otherkingazette to HOPE-CORDE as well? But all you seem to have turned over to them is Otherkin MSN group... why does that group merit different treatment?

[jarandhel.livejournal.com]

I think this is actually the last thing I have to say on this subject, but no promises. It's especially interesting to note that otherkingazette so far is not part of HOPE-CORDE when its own welcome files bill it as being affiliated with the Otherkin MSN group... "Two Resources in One"? Going to clue them in that they're now part of HOPE-CORDE anytime soon? Or are you going to keep them seperate for some reason while assimilating only one of the "two resources in one" into your organization?

[sevenstar.livejournal.com]

Changing a name and adding a member or two does not make a new organization.

I find it sort of pathetic that a -group- that wants to be taken seriously *still* has not learned how to use a spellchecker or build useful webpages, even after all these years. Was any actual research done in compiling the definitions of all those terms? I highly doubt it... any halfway competent scholar would laugh this group right off the internet. Scattering resources over domains, using numerous aliases and websites, etc. only serves to fragment any sort of efforts they may be making... but, of course, when a group consists of two wannabes and a few clueless newbies, I suppose it doesn't really matter. If they are that incompetent with simple online stuff, the idea of them actually possessing any sort of weapons or having the ability to train anyone in paramilitary operations is laughable, at best.

I don't see how anyone could possibly take them seriously.

I certainly don't.

[jarandhel.livejournal.com]

Would you take the group more seriously if you knew that Adara used to be hung up on conducting training for "covert-ops" bullshit which just happened to include smuggling items through patdown searches? Little items, for the most part, about the size of razorblades... or possibly as large as box cutters. Now, while I don't believe that even the members of HOPE are insane enough to use that training in the manner in which it *could* be used, the fact that such an unstable organization might train rather unstable people in such things bothers me a lot, especially considering this country's recent history. (Note: as far as I am aware, I am the only member of HOPE to actual go through that training during the time I was still involved in the organization. I have no idea if it's still being offered by Adara, if anyone else ever took part in it, or if it even has anything to do with HOPE anymore, but it is one major reason why I am very disturbed by their continued existance and am not content to let the matter drop.)

[rialian.livejournal.com]

===It should also be noted that Adara was a part of the National Guard for a while...and there is that unsettling conection with at least one KNOWN militia-type.

===Part of the problem is the types that they get in touch with...and the dangers that grow from those connections.

[aerin]

Do you, by any chance, still happen to have that screenshot? (I assume it's of the MSN Groups page, but of course I could be mistaken.) MSN Groups no longer exist at all.

[jarandhel]

I'm not sure, but at this point I'd doubt it. I've been through a number of computers since then, and it didn't seem a high priority to hold onto with HOPE finally leaving the community rather than just changing its name again. I might still have it on a backup disc somewhere, but I'd have to hunt for it.

[jarandhel]

Oooh, on the other hand, there's always archive.org:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030506002354/http://groups.msn.com/Otherkin

The images may not be there in the archived version, but above them you can clearly see it state: "A Hope-Corde Organization owned group".

[aerin]

Yeah, I'd forgotten about the Internet Archive.