Monday, June 27th, 2005 03:06 pm
I consider myself something of a kitchen mage... always have, even before I Awakened to being otherkin. I try to add energy and intent to the things I'm cooking, and charging food items with beneficial energies has often been a practice of mine. Even if just to try to enhance the flavor.

Recently, though, I've started paying a bit more attention to the energies of the foods I'm eating themselves. I'm finding some interesting correlations.

1) Processed foods seem to have uniformly less energy than the same foods made from scratch by hand would have. Still need to test this observation more, but it seems to bear out. I have a device for making pasta from eggs and flour that I really need to test out, I think they would have significantly more energy than their manufactured counterparts.

2) Foods with large quantities of preservatives and unpronounceable ingredients seem to have less energy than foods that are more organic/natural.

3) Foods cooked in a microwave generally have less energy than those cooked using more conventional means.

4) Energy and taste often seem to correlate. Potatoes baked in an oven are much more flavorful than potatoes baked in a microwave, and have much more energy as well. There is also a difference in texture that is more difficult to quantify, but certainly present.

I find this all very interesting, as one of the theories of Huna is that a certain degree of vital force is created in the body by the Low Self, from a combination of breath and digestion, similar to how blood-sugar in the body is burned. I am given to wonder if a conscious effort to avoid lower-energy/more artificial foods and to give up the quick prep time a microwave affords would increase the reserves of energy naturally present in my body, perhaps even increase my capacity to hold such energies. This might make me a more effective Reiki healer...

Not certain yet, but something I'm going to take into consideration and continue to test as opportunity presents itself.

It's also interesting to note that Huna theory describes symptoms such as psychosis and depression for those whose natural reserves of vital force fall too low, even if they are physically healthy. I wonder if this trend towards processed foods and microwave preparation is contributing to the mental unrest of modern society....

Food for thought, in any case. ;-)
Monday, June 27th, 2005 07:20 pm (UTC)
As my diet has shifted more toward whatever feels the most right for my body at the time, I find I'm eating a *lot* more raw or nearly-raw veggies, and very small amounts of organic/free range meats. It's been an intuitive observation of the same thing, and I really feel the difference when convenience or necessity send prepackaged anything my way -- even things like Amy's organic vegan frozen foods.

I'm rather curious about trying a raw food or macrobiotic diet in the short term just to see what the energy difference would be. I coudln't keep it up in the long term because I just don't have that much time and money I'm willing to spend on enough food to support myself that way, but I still wonder.
Monday, June 27th, 2005 07:50 pm (UTC)
I am not really a fan of raw veggies for the most part, I like things cooked, but I find cooking them conventionally preserves a lot more of their natural energy than microwaving them does. Still need to observe this more and follow my intuition.

Though at the moment my intuition is annoying me 'cause it's giving me a detailed view of the negative energies of the soda sitting next to me that I want to drink. :/

Back to the Kool Aid, I guess...
Monday, June 27th, 2005 09:08 pm (UTC)
I haven't been able to drink soda by itself for years. I mix it with liquor on occasion, but I think at that point my system just worries about the worst of what I've done to it.
Monday, June 27th, 2005 09:25 pm (UTC)
I grew up drinking diet pepsi and diet coke, which may actually be more harmful than their regular counterparts. I had figured at this point it had pretty much done all the damage it could to my system, either I was already fucked or I was immune from the overexposure. Current sense is that may not be the case... I'd been drinking a lot of kool aid this past week because my car was out of commission for a while and it was easier to bring a small container of kool aid mix home from the store than a bunch of sodas, and it would last longer anyway... now that i have soda again, I feel like the time away from it has made me more sensitive to how it's actually affecting my body. Which is funny, 'cause the last time I didn't drink soda for a much longer period, that didn't happen and I went right back to it first chance I got.
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 12:44 am (UTC)
If it's the Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi that they've sold from, oh, 1980 till about a month or so ago...yes, it is worse for you (cref my previous notes about Nutrasweet = Death...there's other health effects, not the least of them being probably the most common dietary migraine trigger).

Jury is still out on Splenda, but (bear in mind I have to deal with this as a necessary evil as I a) have a family full of diabetics for whom regular sugar isn't an option and b) who also apparently have never heard of stevia) the only major worry I know of with Splenda is related to it having a chlorine group. At least Splenda doesn't send me into screaming migraines, which is why I'm sort of thankful they are starting to use it in drinks--I no longer have to explain to my family that I *cannot* have diet drinks unless they WANT me to have to eventually take a wonderful drug called Imitrex (of which one of its major side effects happens to resemble nothing less than feeling as if you are being lovingly stepped on by a Gundam; mind, I live with that, because otherwise I will be *puking* for the next two days; even with the Imitrex, I usually need to sleep the rest of the day, both from the headachy aspects and in general feeling as if I have just been stompled).

And yes, after you wean yourself off of it, you do sort of get more sensitive, or more to the point, you feel its effects and aren't already being made to feel like poo :P
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 12:31 am (UTC)
The funny thing is, in 1999 I was off Soda for longer than this, for that month in the Army, and then only had a little once I arrived in Martinsburg, followed by almost two additional months of very little more than water and hyper-sweetened tea. (I am the only person I know who has ever mixed stevia and sugar in one drink, or used hummingbird food as a tea sweetener.) Didn't get sensitive to it then, though. Went right back to soda once I was in Jersey again. This time, just a week or two on Kool Aid and/or Crystal Light seems to have done the trick... odd. Maybe it has been longer than I think, though, I did have Crystal Light all during Thresholds and even some before that... had been trying to at least lessen my soda consumption, if not eliminate it.
Monday, June 27th, 2005 07:39 pm (UTC)
Heh...would also explain, among other things, why stuff you grow yourself tastes better :3

But yes, it makes sense. Very much so. (NS laughs at me because I like to go to meat markets...then again, the meat from a good meat market is *so* much better than in the store...and yes, part of what I get off on is the whole "vibe" from a good meat market where one can go and get buffalo steak... *laughs*)

Speaking of which, as if I didn't already *have* an excuse to go down to Buffalo Crossing (there's a white buffalo calf I need to pay a visit to :3) they have a meat market there where you can actually buy steaks from buffalo on their farm and see the conditions they're raised in and all. (And yes, it's organic buffalo...actually, the majority of buffalo is organic, they market it specifically as a "natural meat" not full of chemical crap).
Monday, June 27th, 2005 08:04 pm (UTC)
I'm craving venison like you wouldn't believe right now... preferably wild venison, hunted by someone I know, but I have heard there's places around here to buy it and it's been so long since I've had some I might just have to look into that before I move... :)
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 09:08 pm (UTC)
Heh...would also explain, among other things, why stuff you grow yourself tastes better :3

I was about to say "but a lot of that is psychological, the satisfaction you get in the return for effort put in", but then, mind = energy = magic...
Monday, June 27th, 2005 08:01 pm (UTC)
Congratulations, you've single-handedly rediscovered nutrition. Actually, I think what you're doing is really cool, I'm just having a hard time not being sarcastic/snappish today.
Monday, June 27th, 2005 08:27 pm (UTC)
No offense taken. Actually, one of the reasons I'm approaching this more from an energetic standpoint than traditional nutrition is that I'm not entirely convinced that the nutritional models we're taught in school are actually valid, and not marketing schemes meant to benefit certain industries.
Monday, June 27th, 2005 09:11 pm (UTC)
Are you saying that we don't need the milk of other animals well into adulthood to survive?

The dairy industry really is the most obvious example. And personally, I think it's really disgusting when I let myself ruminate on it too much. Which I rarely do, because *cheese* is *tasty*.
Monday, June 27th, 2005 09:22 pm (UTC)
Hehe, I LOVE dairy products so no comment.... I use milk and/or cheese in so many of my recipes...

Obviously, we don't really need it any more than other adult mammals do, but I'm not convinced it by itself is harmful to us. I'd be a lot more worried by the stuff that's being added to milks currently, and the subsequent dairy products produced from them. I'm also not sure about pasteurization in general, something seems funky to me about that, despite it greatly increasing the shelf life of milk... (I've been known to get hyper-pasteurized milk just 'cause it keeps longer in the summer.... but I'm still a bit wary somehow.)
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 01:10 am (UTC)
Strangely enough, the organic milk I get lasts significantly longer (up to weeks) than the stuff that goes through more processing to keep longer. I suspect it's simply because they take less care in the transport of standard milk because the high consumption rate means most of it will still be used before it goes bad, but that's just a guess.
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 02:41 am (UTC)
Hmm... that's an interesting thought.
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 09:10 pm (UTC)
Yes, I've wondered how this can be possible myself. We buy organic milk at the store for the same reason. The dates on the regular cartons are like, two weeks out, and the ones on the organics are sometimes as much as 5-6 weeks (!). Personally I don't believe it - I can still tell the difference when that "best by" date approaches, it just happens sooner (relative to the date) with the organic (about a week to 5 days in advance of the date, instead of about exactly on it).
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 09:10 pm (UTC)
However - is pasteurization not "organic"?
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 09:11 pm (UTC)
Let me clarify - all milk is pasteurized unless it's raw milk (which is illegal in many places), so the implication that organic means unpasteurized is not the case. If it genuinely keeps longer it has to be for other reasons.
Friday, July 1st, 2005 09:03 pm (UTC)
You're right, I actually think the form of hyper-pasteurized milk that I used to get in New Jersey WAS an organic brand.
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 09:08 pm (UTC)
Ha ha, you said "dairy" and "ruminate".
Thursday, June 30th, 2005 02:03 am (UTC)
I was hoping someone would catch that :)
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 12:51 am (UTC)
It took going *far* beyond what most folks schooling would have included for me to get anywhere near decent concepts of nutrition, and even now I rely on my senses to guide me a great deal as reality must always be the final judge.
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 12:33 am (UTC)
Any tips on good sources for more accurate nutritional information?
Monday, June 27th, 2005 08:29 pm (UTC)
For instance, we're taught that diet soda should be more healthy for us than regular soda, but I've heard some interesting information regarding the high fructose corn syrup in both that makes me doubt that very much. And that's not even taking into account the possible ill effects of aspartame.
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 12:34 am (UTC)
Nutrasweet = DEATH (at least in my case). Nutrasweet is a *major* migraine trigger with me :P

Of course, nearly everyone in my family over 35 or so are diabetics, and, well...if it's true about Nutrasweet metabolising to formaldehyde, I will probably never have to worry about being embalmed at this rate (seeing as practically EVERY sugar substitute from about 1980 to about, oh, *this year* has had that Nutrasweet shite in it).

It took cutting Nutrasweet out of my diet for a good week to realise that *that* was the reason I had been having continuous headaches since I was *seven*. :P I'm apparently sensitive enough to the crap it sends me into a migraine. (I'm also thankful that I had an ENT recognise it as a possible migraine, with which my neurologist has concurred. Two MRIs and six damned doctor's visits to find that out, too...)

According to both the neuro and the ENT, aspartame is apparently a *very* common migraine trigger, and one of the first things they recommend for newly diagnosed migraneurs is to remove Nutrasweet from the diet.

And of course my doctor has wanted me to go on a preventative low-carb diet because of my family history. I think I'll take my chances with fruit sugars, thank you--until stuff starts getting converted over to Splenda or to stevia derivatives it's actually *more* of a risk to my immediate health (and being able to afford to PAY the fucking doctor) to use anything diet :P

(Of course, my luck, my *other* major migraine trigger is going on the rag monthly. I wonder if I can get a medically recommended ovariohysterectomy :3)
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 01:29 am (UTC)
I don't know much about energy, but I do know that

(A) you're not the first person to notice that processed foods have less of it, and

(B) the more fresh, raw foods I have in my diet, the better I feel.

My personal ideal diet these days consists of foods made up of things I can recognize on sight. My actual diet includes many things from cans and jars because there are too many times when I don't have the strength for cooking, but I do at least try to make sure that prepared foods are more of an exception than the rule.
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 04:06 am (UTC)
It's also interesting to note that Huna theory describes symptoms such as psychosis and depression for those whose natural reserves of vital force fall too low, even if they are physically healthy. I wonder if this trend towards processed foods and microwave preparation is contributing to the mental unrest of modern society....

Could you please forward any info you have on this, specifically, to me? I'd be very interested in checking it out and exploring this, being the product of modern times that I am and all.:)
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 12:34 am (UTC)
All of the info I have on it is in physical books, but I'll see about posting the relevant material here as I get the chance.
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 02:24 am (UTC)
No worries. Pass along the info whenever you get the chance.
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 02:30 am (UTC)
Hehe, check my latest post, just hit "post" before this came in. :)
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 03:01 am (UTC)
Sorry. It's been an insanely hectic day at work today and I'm trying to do one too many things at once.:)
Tuesday, June 28th, 2005 09:24 am (UTC)
I wonder how this correlates to some of the old legends regarding the eating of fairy food or the eating of food in the underworld. Do you think it's possible that the consumption of food from otherworlds would contain different energetic signatures that could produce even more drastic results than the obvious ones in this world?
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 12:37 am (UTC)
I'm not sure. I've never noticed a significant difference in the energies of food from otherworlds, but then again this sensitivity to food energies in this world is a new thing for me.
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 02:58 am (UTC)
I was just thinking that there could be an energetic factor that could somehow link in with the old myths about eating fairy food and being stuck in fairy or eating food from the underworld and not being able to return to the land of the living. Perhaps the food from these places causes a very real, overt change in the chemistry of the body that somehow causes a very real physical change of some sort. I'm not sure I'm entirely making sense.
Friday, July 1st, 2005 09:07 pm (UTC)
Actually, this leads me in an interesting other direction... two of the main things offered to otherworldly beings in the past have been alcoholic beverages, and milk. Is it possible that, as with alcohol, milk is also addictive, even to humans?
Saturday, July 2nd, 2005 05:00 am (UTC)
There's an interesting thought.:)

Of course, I personally don't really care for milk and never have, but maybe there are alternative reasons why I don't particularly care for milk. A human tempting me would do far better with cheese than milk.
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 09:05 pm (UTC)
1) Processed foods seem to have uniformly less energy than the same foods made from scratch by hand would have.

Yes, definitely. Partly because you have put personal energy into them, and partly because the closer to actual living things the food is, the more residual life force they still have in them. (IMO)

Still need to test this observation more, but it seems to bear out. I have a device for making pasta from eggs and flour that I really need to test out, I think they would have significantly more energy than their manufactured counterparts.

Mmmm, homemade pasta... I prefer it to the dried stuff. Although I don't have a pasta machine, so my noodles tend to come out, uh, irregular.

2) Foods with large quantities of preservatives and unpronounceable ingredients seem to have less energy than foods that are more organic/natural.

Yes, again, see above, IMO - more life force, closer to the state it was in when it was alive = more energy.

3) Foods cooked in a microwave generally have less energy than those cooked using more conventional means.

Not sure about this one; haven't taken much data on it myself. I think this may affect some foods more than others. Also, if you are thinking of, say, a frozen dinner, I think it loses more to the processing than to the reheating in the microwave. That said, as you mention in #4, there is a difference in taste and texture. If nothing else this does have a physical cause - the chemical changes in the food are effected in a different way by the microwave than by oven/stove.
Friday, July 1st, 2005 09:15 pm (UTC)
The major food I've noticed a clear difference between the microwaved and slow-cooked versions is baked potatoes, but I'm slowly coming to perceive clear differences in both taste and energy in most other cases as well. Even slow-cooking tv dinners seems to make them taste and feel better to me than cooking the same foods in a microwave. My guess is, despite the high-energy involved in cooking the foods, the chemical changes involved degrade the food's capacity for holding energy.