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Well, seeing as I was just banned from Otherkin MSN group (without having violated their stated rules of conduct, might I add) I am forced to write my reply to a post there in this more public forum instead.
Nimkaru wrote:
>Pathfinder,
> I some how get the feeling that your questions
>are not so much out of curiosity but are instead
>an attempt to try and shadow a connection that is
>not there. Here is the answer to your questions...
Whether or not such a connection is there is very much in debate. I notice that you seem very afraid of someone posing questions that have the potential to make such a connection evident if their is one. If you did not, you would not have blocked me from posting to Otherkin MSN group merely because I was asking questions about Paranexus and HOPE-CORDE.
I had written:
>I'm confused... who is the "we" in this
>statement? If it is yourself and
>Silverfox, who you mention seperately later in
>this reply, then why didn't
>the two of you simply change the focus of
>HOPE-CORDE to match your actual
>present goals? It seems odd to just scrap an
>organization at a time when
>you were merging and restructuring anyway.
>Especially since you were
>already saying that HOPE-CORDE was a brand new
>organization with no ties to
>either prior organization, which presumably would
>have included old mission
>statements as well. I really don't see why you
>had to scrap it all a second
>time so quickly after forming HOPE-CORDE in the
>first place.
Nimkaru replied:
> The answer to this question is simple. We
>wanted to. Hope-Corde was a private, personally
>owned organization and we wanted a name that was
>better marketable and easier to remember than
>Hope-Corde.
Interesting. So, the primary reason for starting a new organization was not, in fact, the change in focus but instead the desire to replace the old name with something new, since you could easily have changed the focus while keeping the old name.
> Also, because our group had the name
>"Hope" in the title, certain parties INSISTED it
>was still the same as the old "Hope" group that
>was formed in 1999.
Same goals, same leadership, same organizational structure... sounds the same to me. You yourself admit that it never became anything more than a privately owned and run group, run by the same individuals as the older groups for much the same purposes. I would say that qualifies it as the same group.
> This in part is my fault
>because it was my suggestion to keep the names
>while trying to build the group. One major
>problem with Hope-Corde was that Hope had so many
>projects and so much information scattered
>around, it was hard to find all of it and change.
>There were many parties that could not simply
>understand that changing all that stuff around
>took time and made a big deal about every little
>thing. It was not much after looking at the
>countless reasons to change everything (some of
>these being listed in prior replys to you) to
>start fresh with no information to clean up and
>change or delete.
If you wanted to be able to start fresh and not have to delete the old info, why did you go to the trouble of deleting so many of the old HOPE and HOPE-CORDE websites and groups? Your actions seem contradictory.
> But as mentioned before.
>Hope-Corde and paranexus are two totally
>different groups with different mission and
>vision statements
Really? The focus is still on otherkin, magic users, and other paranormal things (Human Otherworldly Paranormals Exchange)... still on research, development, and education (Center for Otherkin Research, Development, and Education), as well. What has changed, really? What is so different about the stated goals of Paranexus and the stated goals of HOPE-CORDE? You've narrowed your focus back to the original target audience, but you're still doing the same things.
I had written:
>I see... I had taken the name of the department
>from the application page,
>rather than the main page:
>"I understand that I may be asked to submit to
>random drug testing from time
>to if I am selected as a permanent full time
>employee or I am given the
>position of a Director or Manager or I am
>applying for and will work in the
>Department of Risk Management and Security." I
>presume that is shorthand
>for the full name of the division, then. Or else
>simply a typo.
Nimkaru replied:
>No, that was no typo. You have to understand that
>I was one of the constructers of ParaNexus and as
>such I helped name some of the departments. I
>desided a few days back that I didn't like the
>name and wanted to chage it. As you can clearly
>see on last post I gave you I told you that as of
>6\09\03 the department name had been changed.
*nods* I see... so in other words it was changed on the very day that I asked about it in the first place. Convenient. Also, you did not inform me that the department name had been changed from Department of Risk Management and Security on that day, you said merely that "Currently (as of 6-09-03) ParaNexus does not have a department named Risk Management and Security but instead has a department that is called "Risk, Security, and Policies Department" also known as the RSP
Department."
> The application is a problem to change and takes
> time that I or the other directors did not have
> time to do yesterday. The decision to change the
> name happened in the early AM of the 9th and it
> has not yet been changed on the application
> though it has been changed on the website and
> all legal documents save the application.
Why is the application more of a problem to change than the rest of the website?
I had written:
>"Security sensitive positions"? Risks and safety
>concerns for research
>projects? Security (essentially bodyguards?) for
>research groups in the
>field? Exactly what kind of research is being
>done or being planned which
>has the potential to be so sensitive and
>apparently dangerous? I am unaware
>of any other serious research group in these
>fields which requires so much
>security and protection for their research.
Nimkaru replied:
>Well since you are unaware then let me educate
>you. Security sensitive positions are ANY manager
>and director positions. Mainly because these
>people could have access to application data
>and\or membership data. We have a very strict
>privacy policy to protect the real names of our
>members if they so choose to keep them private
>and also our clients.
So you'll be following HOPE's previous policy of keeping members in the dark about the identities of other members, then? That would be the only way to make it so that only managers and directors have access to that information.
> Many people are not open
>with there kinness or their Paranormal
>experiances. Now, our research groups go
>everywhere in the US. Some of these places are
>not as friendly as others. The department we
>speak of will evaluate the risks of researching a
>certain area. If it is an old house, they may
>determine if the house and neighborhood is safe
>to explore and if not, request the cancelation of
>the exploration project.
It sounds like you are asking a lot of the people in this department... from background checks to neighborhood evaluations to the ability to evaluate an older structure for structural dangers to the ability to administer first aid... have you thought of breaking this up into more than one section?
> Also, and this is by my
>request, I want someone always on site that is
>American Red Cross CPR and First-Aid certified.
>Accidents happen even to the best of us. People
>fall, get cuts, somes injure muscles. I want
>someone there who can treat these basic injuries
>if they occur. I also am very protective of our
>members. When I say I want someone from Security
>there, it should also be noted that this person
>is also going to be the American Red Cross
>certified First-Aid tech, and will be operating
>some of the equipment on any research projects.
Considering the fact that you apparently intend to do field research in old, possibly abandoned buildings and similar places, I would recommend going all out and hiring someone to act as a field medic, rather than expecting the same group of people to provide such a wide array of skills.
>They are not, as you say, body guards just as
>security officers for hotels or buildings are not
>"body guards" but are professional individuals
>who will evaluate the safety of any given project
>prior to starting and to protect the research
>team in the rare and unlikely event that
>something ever goes wrong. I refuse to take any
>chances with our members who are kind enough to
>volunteer their services for ParaNexus Inc.
If you're serious about that, you won't try to cram that all into one department... you'll hire the various professionals needed to do the job right, from those with actual professional security experience who can handle acting as bodyguards for those doing research in dangerous neighborhoods to those with a real medical background for tending to injuries or health problems which occur during research expeditions, and even to those with an engineering background to check older structures for possible dangers before allowing exploration of them by those who may not be able to recognize such dangers on sight. And that's just a few examples.
I had written:
>Thank you. I'm sure you can see why I said it,
>though... the connections
>between the two groups are there, after all, and
>at least from the outside
>it appears strange that an entirely new group was
>needed right after a
>supposedly new group had just been formed
>according to your previous
>statements about HOPE-CORDE.
Nimkaru replied:
>Your welcome, and you are entitled to your
>opinion. I have also already answered this
>statement, see first or second paragraph above.
Yes, you did, and I have replied to your reply.
I had written:
>No, but you have to admit that if the president
>of Fox Broadcasting shut
>down Fox and started another TV network with many
>of the same employees and
>much of the same lineup of shows, it would seem
>that the organization had
>just changed it's public appearance and not
>changed in essence.
Nimkaru replied:
>With all due respect I don't have to admit that
>because your views are not my views and I would
>see it differently. I would think that the top
>minds of a company wanted to start out on their
>own venture and to me thats fine. I will say
>again that ParaNexus Inc. is NOT Hope-Corde nor
>has business dealings with Hope-Corde. I cannot
>express that enough. We have many different goals
>as I have stated.
Such as? Research, Development, Education, Aid, Assistance, Public Awareness... helping those affected by the paranormal or who choose to live "spiritually based non mainstream live styles"... other than going back to the original target audience for the two groups, what exactly do you claim has changed about your goals?
I had written:
>I'm afraid that it doesn't... Paranexus's goals
>seem quite similar to the
>stated goals of HOPE-CORDE, though they have
>changed from handling all
>alternative lifestyles to just "paranormal"
>things, such as otherkin or
>magic users, which seemed to be HOPE-CORDE's
>primary focus anyway. Also,
>you yourself have said quite the opposite in the
>past... I refer to your
>fourth post about the defamation
>(http://groups.msn.com/Otherkin/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=5388):
Nimkaru replied:
>You yourself admit that the goals have changed,
>so I am confused as to what you are really asking
>here? ParaNexus's mission, vision, and values
>statement can be viewed at http://www.paranexus.net .
>You will find that the mission statements of the
>past groups you are mentions are hardly alike.
I admitted the targetted audience had changed from all alternatives back to the original subset of alternative lifestyles that HOPE intended to serve in the first place, but the goals seem very much the same to me, as I said above.
>Granted, both Hope-Corde and ParaNexus do share
>the research interest in Otherkin and helping
>otherkin but that will be the same no matter what
>I do because that is what I want to do to help
>give back to the community.
So you have used both organizations, and presumably CORDE itself prior to its merger with HOPE, to achieve exactly that goal... and yet you claim that the organizations are not connected with each other and do not have the same goals, even though they all had the same goal of researching and helping Otherkin.
I had written (quoting Nimkaru's previous post, in case it is not obvious in this context):
>"Also, these past groups were just that, groups.
>They were not companies nor
>businesses. They were personally owned Yahoo
>groups. Hope-Corde on the other
>hand is not. We are nearly complete filing our
>paper work to be a non-profit
>organization to full fill the dream of serving
>otherkin and helping them in
>anyway we can."
Nimkaru replied:
>You are very correct in this, because that was
>the plan to form Hope-Corde as a non-profit
>organization, but as I said before in the past it
>never happened. Even though we planned to make it
>from a personally owned group it never got there.
>Sadly and admittingly so, I jumped the gun by
>announcing that. We had a plan to do that but
>shortly after that post we decided it was not
>possible. I reserve the right to change my mind
>on things as many people do.
Changing one's mind is one thing, but you never announced that you were wrong in that, and you used that supposed fact to try to discredit others who criticized your organization and pointed out its connections with HOPE and CORDE.
> I also point out
>that i said "Nearly complete" and not "complete".
>When I said Hope-Corde was not a privatly owned
>group, what I should have said is "Hope-Corde is
>currently a personally owned group but is nearly
>finished filing its paperwork to become a
>business." My apologies for that confussion. That
>paperwork was withdrawn and thrown out.
So, in fact, HOPE-CORDE was at that time a privately owned group owned by the same people who owned the previous groups, and Rialian and myself were right about that when we made those statements.
>ParaNexus on the otherhand IS a legal non-profit
>organization with its articles of Incorporation
>and fees already filed with the state.
I know. I note that you and Adara are the only officers listed at this time, though I still await a full copy of the Name Registration to become available. Government websites are quite useful, don't you think? http://www.sos.state.ms.us/busserv/corpsnap/BusServSnap.asp?txtCorpID=734327
I had written:
>Thank you for your explainations of this
>situation... I'm still rather
>confused about certain things, especially the
>apparent contradictions about
>the nature of HOPE-CORDE as a privately owned
>group or as a nonprofit
>organization, though. And I'm sure others are as
>well. Why don't we keep
>the conversation here, where it started, rather
>than taking it private?
Nimkaru replied:
>I am certain you are confused on this matter
>because your goal never has been to understand
>but to try and chase shadows that aren't there,
>in my opinion. It was brought to my attention
>that the name your using "The Pathfinder" was
>also used to sneak onto the old Hope board and
>lurk and spy there.
Openly joining, and outright telling Adara that it was me, is sneaking and lurking and spying? Get real.
> I am not surprised to see you
>doing the same thing to MSN Otherkin now that it
>is no longer an open board.
If I was secretly joining a group to lurk and "spy" there, don't you think that I would be using an address that the owners of that said group would not be aware is mine, rather than one they already knew about from a previous attempt to "spy" on them? Also, wouldn't I use one that does not have my kin name in the headers of messages sent from it? (Ask those of your members who recieve messages in their inboxes, rather than checking them online. It shows up with the name Jarin Dreamsinger as the sender.)
> I find it unfortunate
>that you are unable to get past your personal
>dislike of SilverFox and choose to follow all she
>does in the future. There is a term for this and
>it is called stalking.
Sorry, but joining groups on the internet is in no way stalking, nor is keeping track of the organizations she creates. Legally, stalking requires a reason for the person being stalked to believe that they, their family, or their property is threatened in some way. Since I have never done anything to threaten Adara, her property, or her family in any way, none of those laws apply. On the other hand, spuriously accusing me of a crime in a public forum without any evidence is most likely legally defamation, though I would have to consult with an attorney to be certain of that.
> MSN Otherkin has a strict
>policy on this to protect all our members, be
>them new or Managers. The only reason I did not
>delete your post and ban you from this site the
>first time I found all this out(about 2 hours
>ago) was because your questions were serving as a
>chance to explain some things about ParaNexus
>that people may wonder and I had already written
>about 50-75% of this post. For those of you that
>are wondering, The Pathfinder (know by another
>name but shall remain nameless for his privacy
>sake) is one of those individuals that was
>stirring up trouble with Hope-Corde some months
>back. Needless to say, you, PathFinder are not
>welcome on this board any longer and are asked to
>not return.
I find it curious that you would "protect my privacy" when anyone recieving group mail in their inbox already knows that I am Jarin Dreamsinger. It's also rather hypocritical for you to "request" that I not return, while banning me from the group. Especially since my posts in no way constituted stalking of Silverfox, nor were even directed towards Silverfox, but towards yourself.
>For those of you that have further questions
>about ParaNexus, please visit
>http://www. paranexus.net. If you still have questions,
>please e-mail us at contact@paranexus.net.
I encourage others, especially those considering applying to be volunteers or emplyees, to do just that and really evaluate the information which you are given in response. I especially encourage members to compare the current "about us" page and Paranexus's stated mission with the goals stated on this copy of HOPE-CORDE's stated purpose. (http://groups.msn.com/HOPEorg/whatishope.msnw) I think, with the exception of which types of alternatives they are serving, you will find that the two organizations are more similar than they are willing to admit.
-Jarin
Well, seeing as I was just banned from Otherkin MSN group (without having violated their stated rules of conduct, might I add) I am forced to write my reply to a post there in this more public forum instead.
Nimkaru wrote:
>Pathfinder,
> I some how get the feeling that your questions
>are not so much out of curiosity but are instead
>an attempt to try and shadow a connection that is
>not there. Here is the answer to your questions...
Whether or not such a connection is there is very much in debate. I notice that you seem very afraid of someone posing questions that have the potential to make such a connection evident if their is one. If you did not, you would not have blocked me from posting to Otherkin MSN group merely because I was asking questions about Paranexus and HOPE-CORDE.
I had written:
>I'm confused... who is the "we" in this
>statement? If it is yourself and
>Silverfox, who you mention seperately later in
>this reply, then why didn't
>the two of you simply change the focus of
>HOPE-CORDE to match your actual
>present goals? It seems odd to just scrap an
>organization at a time when
>you were merging and restructuring anyway.
>Especially since you were
>already saying that HOPE-CORDE was a brand new
>organization with no ties to
>either prior organization, which presumably would
>have included old mission
>statements as well. I really don't see why you
>had to scrap it all a second
>time so quickly after forming HOPE-CORDE in the
>first place.
Nimkaru replied:
> The answer to this question is simple. We
>wanted to. Hope-Corde was a private, personally
>owned organization and we wanted a name that was
>better marketable and easier to remember than
>Hope-Corde.
Interesting. So, the primary reason for starting a new organization was not, in fact, the change in focus but instead the desire to replace the old name with something new, since you could easily have changed the focus while keeping the old name.
> Also, because our group had the name
>"Hope" in the title, certain parties INSISTED it
>was still the same as the old "Hope" group that
>was formed in 1999.
Same goals, same leadership, same organizational structure... sounds the same to me. You yourself admit that it never became anything more than a privately owned and run group, run by the same individuals as the older groups for much the same purposes. I would say that qualifies it as the same group.
> This in part is my fault
>because it was my suggestion to keep the names
>while trying to build the group. One major
>problem with Hope-Corde was that Hope had so many
>projects and so much information scattered
>around, it was hard to find all of it and change.
>There were many parties that could not simply
>understand that changing all that stuff around
>took time and made a big deal about every little
>thing. It was not much after looking at the
>countless reasons to change everything (some of
>these being listed in prior replys to you) to
>start fresh with no information to clean up and
>change or delete.
If you wanted to be able to start fresh and not have to delete the old info, why did you go to the trouble of deleting so many of the old HOPE and HOPE-CORDE websites and groups? Your actions seem contradictory.
> But as mentioned before.
>Hope-Corde and paranexus are two totally
>different groups with different mission and
>vision statements
Really? The focus is still on otherkin, magic users, and other paranormal things (Human Otherworldly Paranormals Exchange)... still on research, development, and education (Center for Otherkin Research, Development, and Education), as well. What has changed, really? What is so different about the stated goals of Paranexus and the stated goals of HOPE-CORDE? You've narrowed your focus back to the original target audience, but you're still doing the same things.
I had written:
>I see... I had taken the name of the department
>from the application page,
>rather than the main page:
>"I understand that I may be asked to submit to
>random drug testing from time
>to if I am selected as a permanent full time
>employee or I am given the
>position of a Director or Manager or I am
>applying for and will work in the
>Department of Risk Management and Security." I
>presume that is shorthand
>for the full name of the division, then. Or else
>simply a typo.
Nimkaru replied:
>No, that was no typo. You have to understand that
>I was one of the constructers of ParaNexus and as
>such I helped name some of the departments. I
>desided a few days back that I didn't like the
>name and wanted to chage it. As you can clearly
>see on last post I gave you I told you that as of
>6\09\03 the department name had been changed.
*nods* I see... so in other words it was changed on the very day that I asked about it in the first place. Convenient. Also, you did not inform me that the department name had been changed from Department of Risk Management and Security on that day, you said merely that "Currently (as of 6-09-03) ParaNexus does not have a department named Risk Management and Security but instead has a department that is called "Risk, Security, and Policies Department" also known as the RSP
Department."
> The application is a problem to change and takes
> time that I or the other directors did not have
> time to do yesterday. The decision to change the
> name happened in the early AM of the 9th and it
> has not yet been changed on the application
> though it has been changed on the website and
> all legal documents save the application.
Why is the application more of a problem to change than the rest of the website?
I had written:
>"Security sensitive positions"? Risks and safety
>concerns for research
>projects? Security (essentially bodyguards?) for
>research groups in the
>field? Exactly what kind of research is being
>done or being planned which
>has the potential to be so sensitive and
>apparently dangerous? I am unaware
>of any other serious research group in these
>fields which requires so much
>security and protection for their research.
Nimkaru replied:
>Well since you are unaware then let me educate
>you. Security sensitive positions are ANY manager
>and director positions. Mainly because these
>people could have access to application data
>and\or membership data. We have a very strict
>privacy policy to protect the real names of our
>members if they so choose to keep them private
>and also our clients.
So you'll be following HOPE's previous policy of keeping members in the dark about the identities of other members, then? That would be the only way to make it so that only managers and directors have access to that information.
> Many people are not open
>with there kinness or their Paranormal
>experiances. Now, our research groups go
>everywhere in the US. Some of these places are
>not as friendly as others. The department we
>speak of will evaluate the risks of researching a
>certain area. If it is an old house, they may
>determine if the house and neighborhood is safe
>to explore and if not, request the cancelation of
>the exploration project.
It sounds like you are asking a lot of the people in this department... from background checks to neighborhood evaluations to the ability to evaluate an older structure for structural dangers to the ability to administer first aid... have you thought of breaking this up into more than one section?
> Also, and this is by my
>request, I want someone always on site that is
>American Red Cross CPR and First-Aid certified.
>Accidents happen even to the best of us. People
>fall, get cuts, somes injure muscles. I want
>someone there who can treat these basic injuries
>if they occur. I also am very protective of our
>members. When I say I want someone from Security
>there, it should also be noted that this person
>is also going to be the American Red Cross
>certified First-Aid tech, and will be operating
>some of the equipment on any research projects.
Considering the fact that you apparently intend to do field research in old, possibly abandoned buildings and similar places, I would recommend going all out and hiring someone to act as a field medic, rather than expecting the same group of people to provide such a wide array of skills.
>They are not, as you say, body guards just as
>security officers for hotels or buildings are not
>"body guards" but are professional individuals
>who will evaluate the safety of any given project
>prior to starting and to protect the research
>team in the rare and unlikely event that
>something ever goes wrong. I refuse to take any
>chances with our members who are kind enough to
>volunteer their services for ParaNexus Inc.
If you're serious about that, you won't try to cram that all into one department... you'll hire the various professionals needed to do the job right, from those with actual professional security experience who can handle acting as bodyguards for those doing research in dangerous neighborhoods to those with a real medical background for tending to injuries or health problems which occur during research expeditions, and even to those with an engineering background to check older structures for possible dangers before allowing exploration of them by those who may not be able to recognize such dangers on sight. And that's just a few examples.
I had written:
>Thank you. I'm sure you can see why I said it,
>though... the connections
>between the two groups are there, after all, and
>at least from the outside
>it appears strange that an entirely new group was
>needed right after a
>supposedly new group had just been formed
>according to your previous
>statements about HOPE-CORDE.
Nimkaru replied:
>Your welcome, and you are entitled to your
>opinion. I have also already answered this
>statement, see first or second paragraph above.
Yes, you did, and I have replied to your reply.
I had written:
>No, but you have to admit that if the president
>of Fox Broadcasting shut
>down Fox and started another TV network with many
>of the same employees and
>much of the same lineup of shows, it would seem
>that the organization had
>just changed it's public appearance and not
>changed in essence.
Nimkaru replied:
>With all due respect I don't have to admit that
>because your views are not my views and I would
>see it differently. I would think that the top
>minds of a company wanted to start out on their
>own venture and to me thats fine. I will say
>again that ParaNexus Inc. is NOT Hope-Corde nor
>has business dealings with Hope-Corde. I cannot
>express that enough. We have many different goals
>as I have stated.
Such as? Research, Development, Education, Aid, Assistance, Public Awareness... helping those affected by the paranormal or who choose to live "spiritually based non mainstream live styles"... other than going back to the original target audience for the two groups, what exactly do you claim has changed about your goals?
I had written:
>I'm afraid that it doesn't... Paranexus's goals
>seem quite similar to the
>stated goals of HOPE-CORDE, though they have
>changed from handling all
>alternative lifestyles to just "paranormal"
>things, such as otherkin or
>magic users, which seemed to be HOPE-CORDE's
>primary focus anyway. Also,
>you yourself have said quite the opposite in the
>past... I refer to your
>fourth post about the defamation
>(http://groups.msn.com/Otherkin/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=5388):
Nimkaru replied:
>You yourself admit that the goals have changed,
>so I am confused as to what you are really asking
>here? ParaNexus's mission, vision, and values
>statement can be viewed at http://www.paranexus.net .
>You will find that the mission statements of the
>past groups you are mentions are hardly alike.
I admitted the targetted audience had changed from all alternatives back to the original subset of alternative lifestyles that HOPE intended to serve in the first place, but the goals seem very much the same to me, as I said above.
>Granted, both Hope-Corde and ParaNexus do share
>the research interest in Otherkin and helping
>otherkin but that will be the same no matter what
>I do because that is what I want to do to help
>give back to the community.
So you have used both organizations, and presumably CORDE itself prior to its merger with HOPE, to achieve exactly that goal... and yet you claim that the organizations are not connected with each other and do not have the same goals, even though they all had the same goal of researching and helping Otherkin.
I had written (quoting Nimkaru's previous post, in case it is not obvious in this context):
>"Also, these past groups were just that, groups.
>They were not companies nor
>businesses. They were personally owned Yahoo
>groups. Hope-Corde on the other
>hand is not. We are nearly complete filing our
>paper work to be a non-profit
>organization to full fill the dream of serving
>otherkin and helping them in
>anyway we can."
Nimkaru replied:
>You are very correct in this, because that was
>the plan to form Hope-Corde as a non-profit
>organization, but as I said before in the past it
>never happened. Even though we planned to make it
>from a personally owned group it never got there.
>Sadly and admittingly so, I jumped the gun by
>announcing that. We had a plan to do that but
>shortly after that post we decided it was not
>possible. I reserve the right to change my mind
>on things as many people do.
Changing one's mind is one thing, but you never announced that you were wrong in that, and you used that supposed fact to try to discredit others who criticized your organization and pointed out its connections with HOPE and CORDE.
> I also point out
>that i said "Nearly complete" and not "complete".
>When I said Hope-Corde was not a privatly owned
>group, what I should have said is "Hope-Corde is
>currently a personally owned group but is nearly
>finished filing its paperwork to become a
>business." My apologies for that confussion. That
>paperwork was withdrawn and thrown out.
So, in fact, HOPE-CORDE was at that time a privately owned group owned by the same people who owned the previous groups, and Rialian and myself were right about that when we made those statements.
>ParaNexus on the otherhand IS a legal non-profit
>organization with its articles of Incorporation
>and fees already filed with the state.
I know. I note that you and Adara are the only officers listed at this time, though I still await a full copy of the Name Registration to become available. Government websites are quite useful, don't you think? http://www.sos.state.ms.us/busserv/corpsnap/BusServSnap.asp?txtCorpID=734327
I had written:
>Thank you for your explainations of this
>situation... I'm still rather
>confused about certain things, especially the
>apparent contradictions about
>the nature of HOPE-CORDE as a privately owned
>group or as a nonprofit
>organization, though. And I'm sure others are as
>well. Why don't we keep
>the conversation here, where it started, rather
>than taking it private?
Nimkaru replied:
>I am certain you are confused on this matter
>because your goal never has been to understand
>but to try and chase shadows that aren't there,
>in my opinion. It was brought to my attention
>that the name your using "The Pathfinder" was
>also used to sneak onto the old Hope board and
>lurk and spy there.
Openly joining, and outright telling Adara that it was me, is sneaking and lurking and spying? Get real.
> I am not surprised to see you
>doing the same thing to MSN Otherkin now that it
>is no longer an open board.
If I was secretly joining a group to lurk and "spy" there, don't you think that I would be using an address that the owners of that said group would not be aware is mine, rather than one they already knew about from a previous attempt to "spy" on them? Also, wouldn't I use one that does not have my kin name in the headers of messages sent from it? (Ask those of your members who recieve messages in their inboxes, rather than checking them online. It shows up with the name Jarin Dreamsinger as the sender.)
> I find it unfortunate
>that you are unable to get past your personal
>dislike of SilverFox and choose to follow all she
>does in the future. There is a term for this and
>it is called stalking.
Sorry, but joining groups on the internet is in no way stalking, nor is keeping track of the organizations she creates. Legally, stalking requires a reason for the person being stalked to believe that they, their family, or their property is threatened in some way. Since I have never done anything to threaten Adara, her property, or her family in any way, none of those laws apply. On the other hand, spuriously accusing me of a crime in a public forum without any evidence is most likely legally defamation, though I would have to consult with an attorney to be certain of that.
> MSN Otherkin has a strict
>policy on this to protect all our members, be
>them new or Managers. The only reason I did not
>delete your post and ban you from this site the
>first time I found all this out(about 2 hours
>ago) was because your questions were serving as a
>chance to explain some things about ParaNexus
>that people may wonder and I had already written
>about 50-75% of this post. For those of you that
>are wondering, The Pathfinder (know by another
>name but shall remain nameless for his privacy
>sake) is one of those individuals that was
>stirring up trouble with Hope-Corde some months
>back. Needless to say, you, PathFinder are not
>welcome on this board any longer and are asked to
>not return.
I find it curious that you would "protect my privacy" when anyone recieving group mail in their inbox already knows that I am Jarin Dreamsinger. It's also rather hypocritical for you to "request" that I not return, while banning me from the group. Especially since my posts in no way constituted stalking of Silverfox, nor were even directed towards Silverfox, but towards yourself.
>For those of you that have further questions
>about ParaNexus, please visit
>http://www. paranexus.net. If you still have questions,
>please e-mail us at contact@paranexus.net.
I encourage others, especially those considering applying to be volunteers or emplyees, to do just that and really evaluate the information which you are given in response. I especially encourage members to compare the current "about us" page and Paranexus's stated mission with the goals stated on this copy of HOPE-CORDE's stated purpose. (http://groups.msn.com/HOPEorg/whatishope.msnw) I think, with the exception of which types of alternatives they are serving, you will find that the two organizations are more similar than they are willing to admit.
-Jarin
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Poof, it's gone.
"The page you're looking for might have been moved or deleted. Or, perhaps the Web address is misspelled?"
This in response to clicking on the whatishope link.
Re: Poof, it's gone.
Yet the group itself seems to not have been deleted, since you get a different message if it has. It's just the content which is gone. Gee, I wonder why they would have gone out of their way to remove the publicly accessible content while leaving the group still in place?